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than what people are getting -- >> on social security. that's nothing to did with the deficit. >> but the fact that all of these things need to believe in the grand bargain, sort to speak -- >> they do not. social security shouldn't even be on the table because it is nothing to do with the deficit. doesn't contribute to the deficit. and we're talking about the deficit. why should social security be discussed in that context? >> completely off the table? >> absolutely. absolutely. and that was the -- and that was our position during the campaign. social security has nothing to do with the deficit. does not contribute to it. walled off from it. its own trust fund with $2.7 trillion in it at the moment. and the american people by huge majorities say we shouldn't be cutting social security or for that matter medicare benefits. you can cut medicare in ways you don't cut benefits and the hypocrisy of republicans that said that democrats are terrible because they took $716 billion from medicare for obama care and what do we want to do? pocket the cuts and add more. our chief demand i
.5 trillion in deficit reduction. i don't know if that will be possible in the next nine days. >> all of this symptomatic of the huge casam in washington. >> we talked to rick warren, the author of the -- of "the purpose driven life," the best seller and we talked about washington and talked about newtown and also christmas in this somewhat bleak season. in terms of washington he said he doesn't think politics will solve anything. it really will have to be solved in people's daily lives in terms of their spiritual awakening. he says that the fixing and the blame is so great here that instead of trying to fix the problem we try to place the blame, and he is certainly right about this whether he is right about his prescription that nothing gets done in this town. and we have seen it in this last month of the fiscal cliff. >> looking forward to seeing that interview and others on fox news sunday. thank you very much. >> thank you, doug. and you can catch the entire exclusive interview right here on fox newschannel. it airs after america's news headquarters. >>> the national debt clock ke
and celebration and recent tragic events gave this year's holiday a deficit feeling. >> reporter: in newtown, connecticut, it was a day of lingering heartache. empty stockings hung as reminders of loss filled with gifts and police helps for time with their families. >> glad we can do it. >> a pleasure to help them out. >> police officers giving police officers time off, you couldn't ask for a better christmas gift. >> reporter: in the new york area, still without homes because of hurricane sandy, volunteers tried to deliver holiday spirit, handing out food, toys and blankets at relief centers. >> people came out to help people. you can't put a price on that or buy that either. >> reporter: in places spared direct tragedy americans marked it with their own ways keeping those less fortunate in their thoughts. >> when people are suffering and going through hardship, many, many people come to offer their help in whatever they can do. >> reporter: across the nation, americans attended church services and spent time with family and friends. at the mitchell home outside chicago, even young members
. >> this is a manufactured crisis. we don't have a short-term deficit problem. we have a jobs and growth problem and we have a faltering recovery. we should put off the sequester. put off this grand bargain. come back. let the bush tax cuts expire. make sure the middle class doesn't have to pavement the schif a manufactured media drama. >> laura: wow, can you say out of touch? joining us now from new york is maxwell a democratic strategist and guy benson the political editor for "town" okay. this is quite something. we have been hearing from the obama white house, the congressional budgetffice and any number of conservative economistst that this is serious. that we have got to get this thing done that we have got to get it in order. or at some point america's full faith and credit is going to go away. we are not going to look so good to the rest of the world as far as credit risk. so let's talk to you about this. is this a manufactured media crisis or does something substantial need to be done here? >> well, i certainly think that the fiscal cliff, that language is a manufactured media narrative.
then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps we can take in the new year. >> reporter: if the congressional leaders don't reach a deal by december 31st, the financial markets could one is a bit and, consider this. the current congress is only in session until noon on january third. after that, 13 new senators and 82 new house members would take over and try to solve the problem and that is an overwhelming task out of the gate. back to you. >> thank you for. that. >>> we want to get back to the weather. let's take a live look outside. the snow and rain has tapered off here in the district, at least, but it's getting colder. maryland state officials are warning drivers to stay off of the roads if they don't have to be on them and get the latest on conditions with tucker barnes. he has the first look at the weekend weather. >> reporter: things are getting better out there and the storm system is long gone. the winds are picking up and overnight lows below freezing and there is a live look at satellite radar and you can see the rain and/or snow across the region and pushin
to our deficit in this country is rising health care costs. do we need to tangle those? how do they interact with the changes that are going to be set up across the country. is it going to cost the taxpayer more or less? all those have to be in the realm of realistic facts and figures. >> you're in arizona today. many of your constituents worked over the holidays. do you think congress should have stayed in washington to work for an agreement? >> absolutely. absolutely. once you know, once the boehner plan "b" collapsed, all we got was a notification, you can go home. we'll call you when we're ready. boehner's got to get off -- the majority of the majority must agree to something. it's going to take democratic votes to pass a tough fiscal compromise and unless there is inclusion and discussion on both sides of the aisle about this issue, that compromise gets tougher and tougher. >> thank you for coming "outfront." >> appreciate it. thank you. >> now, on the other side of the aisle. republican congressman of wisconsin. congressman, you just heard your arizona colleague say you a
but the debate over the deficit and the debt that is behind this? >> well, if you go back to 2001 and thereafter, the cost of the war was not included in the budget except the military and the defense budget. but the additional costs were not reflected in the budget. there were always supplementals. so they didn't show as a deficit. a vendor ackley to the debt. so while the budgets were reasonable in that period of time, the actual spending didn't show in the budget and people didn't pay as much attention to the debt as they do today because it kept mounting and so we borrowed to pay for the war and in fact we didn't ask people to make sacrifices financially. >> there is a difference between borrowing in the future, paying for work and paying back words, we are having to pay right now. people might have felt differently if they had felt the pinch right at that time. we would have asked different questions and were asked, and i think that is one of the reasons we got where we are. and it's where we are. >> on appropriations could you have been any more vocal about it to provide us getting into t
, we, republican are not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. can you explain that? >> sure can. yeah, the white house has been very focused on what do we have to do to just get past the fiscal cliff. let's get over this bump and keep spend and keep going. in the house we're actually trying to solve the debt and deficit. let me illustrate this. we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to the clinton levels of taxation. if we went back to the clinton levels of taxation we're still double the highest bush era of deficit spending still because spending was accelerated so much in 2009 and 2010. we're trying to bring the spending levels back down. on the contrary if we just brought the spending levels down to the clinton level spending instead of tax level going up to clinton level of tax it is would solve this. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. we're trying to say how do we get out of debt. the president is saying let's get past the fiscal cliff and let's keep moving on. that doesn't sol
taxation by using a flat tax. that way you can calculate the amount of taxes we need for the deficit over 10 years. another point is to control the spending on entitlements by not giving millionaires social security benefits, thereby satisfying president obama's approach. instead of doing it through taxation, he can do it through the entitlements. guest: those are both ideas that have been raised, especially the social security and medicare benefits for the wealthy and potentially might not need them to live off of. one tricky part of that is wealthier americans have been paying these taxes for decades into social security and medicare if and a lot of folks have a problem with the idea of taking away their benefits they have paid for if just because they happen to be more well off. and issued the first caller raised and something to watch is this could really sort of set the tone for the president's second term. if this thing gets ugly and stays ugly, it's probably going to stay that way at least another year or two, and the next thing you know, he's a lame duck president. if we cut a dea
trillion in deficit reduction. we need to stabilize the debt and work it down is a package of about $4 trillion over ten years. here we are today, december 19, and these law changes which i referenced earlier, the end of the bush era tax cuts, the dreaded sequester, across the board cuts of $1.2 trillion in spending will begin to take effect the first of next year. the good news is the white house and republicans have been trading proposals and at least yesterday appeared to be moving closer together. i would have much preferred that they would be talking about a bigger package than they've discussed but nonetheless to reach a package that would resolve some of these issues would be an important step forward and i think help promote certainty that would be important to our economy. on the revenue side of the equation, i just want to remind you what it's taken in the past to balance the budget. we hear talk on average revenue is in the 18% of g.d.p. range n. getting back to average you will should be sufficient. the problem with that is we have never balanced the budget in the last 50 y
the groundwork for deficit reduction and the president saying he remains hopeful that something can get done before the all-important january 1st deadline and i am told by sources at the white house that this will be a working vacation for the president. >> working in terms of what you have just learned kristen, and that is that the president, i understand, will be going to a memorial service for the late senator daniel inouye. >> reporter: that's right. president obama and the first lady will be attending that memorial service tomorrow. as you remember, on friday president obama spoke at a memorial service in d.c. for senator inouye. he praised his service as a world war ii veteran, praised him for his long service in congress and also talked about the fact that he has a personal connection to senator inouye, president obama raised partially here in hawaii. he called the senator one of his earliest political inspirations and talked about the fact that as he traveled to the mainland as a boy of 11 years old he watched senator inouye in the watergate hearings. we don't expect president obama
serious about cutting the defsht and deficit? >> this is, look, this is the greatest irony of this entire discussion. and it is getting lost too much i think in the sometimes in the weeds of the back and forth negotiations. remember, the reason that we're doing this is because this grew out of the 2010 elections and debates over raising debt ceiling that following summer, 2011. the entire purpose was to reduce the size and scope of government in a way responsible to the voters of that midterm election. instead what we're almost certain to see is an expansion of government in the name of reintroducing it. we're likely to see much bigger government long term. we're not likely to deal with entitlement reforms as we need to do. as you suggest the president is pushing some short-term spending increases often in washington turn into long-term spending increases. gregg: but, steve, bill kristol, conservative, you know what, time to throw in the towel. you do not want to get blamed for raising taxes on 98% of americans. >> right. gregg: right? >> look, bill kristol is my boss and editor at "the w
into the situation we are in right now, with the huge debate over the size of the deficit and the debt? >> go back to 2001 and thereafter. the cost of the wars was not included in the budget. they were always supplemental. they did not show as a deficit. while the budgets looked reasonable during that time, the actual spending was greater. people did not pay as much attention to the debt. it just kept mounting and growing. we borrowed to pay for the worse when we did not ask people to make sacrifices financially. there is a difference between borrowing in the future, pang forward and backwards, or having to pay right now. people might have felt differently if they had felt a pinch right at the time. they would have asked different questions than were asked. that is one of the reasons we got where we are. >> could you have been any more vocal about appropriations? >> i was vocal. when i got on the appropriations committee, i became chairman of the legislative branch. that is everything, all of the buildings. office buildings, 1700 capitol police forces, and all of their help, support staff. i held
their deficit and we cannot, the world will switch to euros. there is a tweet here -- guest: the cbo is supposed to be a political, but it cannot be too alarmist. if we go over the cliff, we are looking on january 1, some of this is already milton. about $600 million -- $650 billion in spending cuts and tax increases. that is about 4% of gdp. that is an enormous negative stimulus. a detraction from demand. that would surely be a deep recession. the cbo relies on simulation models that did not take into consideration investor sentiment, the reaction of consumers, and so forth that they wholly lose confidence in their government. if we go over the cliff and stay there, people will start to conclude that washington cannot manage its affairs. all bets are off on economic modeling. it is impossible to say what happened that other than it would be very negative. host: one piece that you actually did right has this headline -- take the idea of a recession next year. with the perspective of everything else going on, when a recession look like? guest: it depends on how we get there. if we have a fiscal c
to help the country at the same time reduce the deficits which are confronting. we were handed a number and the budget control act to reduce the defense budget by $487 billion over the next decade. based on my own budget experience at the time, i knew that the approach should be not to simply cut across the board and hollow out of the force. but try to develop a strategy, what is it what the defense department to be not just now but going into the future as well. that is the purpose why we developed the strategy. today i want to describe the strategic environment shaping our future. the progress we have made toward implementing the strategy and the risks we face as they work every day to try to keep america safe and secure. before i continue, let me pay tribute to a couple people here who join me at the head table. my deputy secretary plays a crucial role in helping me and dod develop and implement this strategy. i deeply appreciate his dedication and commitment to the department. i also want to pay tribute to my undersecretary for policy who was also here and worked very hard on that s
insurance is still available for 2 million people and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education and remembering general norman schwarzkopf. but first, the other news of the day. here's kwame holman. >> holman: the u.s. economy has dodged a potentially crippling strike at ports up and down the east coast and gulf coast at least, for now. the longshoremen's union agreed today to extend its existing contract by another month. that word came after the union and shipping lines worked out a deal on royalty payments for unloading containers. the contract extension gives the two sides time to resolve their remaining issues. wall street finished the week with its fifth straight losing session. stocks have been falling as concern mounts that washington will fail to get
. for the last few weeks, i have been working with the leaders of both parties on a proposal to get our deficit under control, to avoid tax cuts -- to avoid tax hikes on the middle- class. and to make sure we can spur jobs and economic growth. a balanced proposal that cuts spending, but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay more, a proposal that will strengthen the middle class over the long haul, and our economy over the long haul. in the course of these negotiations, i offered to compromise with republicans in congress. i met them halfway on taxes and more than halfway on spending. today, i am still willing to get a comprehensive package done. i still believe that reducing our deficit is the right thing to do for the long-term health of our economy and the confidence of our businesses. i remain committed to working towards that goal, whether it happens all at once, or whether it happens in several different steps. but in 10 days, we face a deadline. in 10 days, under current law, tax rates are scheduled to rise on most americans. and even though democrats and republicans are arguing about
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in spending. that is a reason you have trillion dollar deficit. we are borrowing $.40 of every dollar that we spent. i mentioned the gdp figures. the historic average is that the government takes an 18% of gdp and spends 20% of gdp in spending. about 2% is a manageable deficit. the problem over the past three years is that we are at 60% and 24%. that gap is too big. at what level do you set the tax rate and what level do you have the spending rates? taxing a 24% will probably never happen. the question is, where is that middle ground do you end up? the bowles-simpson commission had 21%. members of congress have insisted that it does not go higher than 18%. that is the fight that will play out over the next couple of years. how much do we tax? how much are we paying for it? host: we want to remind our viewers and listeners of the consequences of going off of the fiscal cliff. in terms of the tax increases, it would mean another $221 billion. .he bush tax cuts expiring i payroll tax relief would expire and raise another $95 billion. i dish the provisions expire -- additional provisions expire f
americans and lays the groundwork for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. >> raising taxes could still be red ink as far as i can see and it would hurt jobs. >> reporter: some long-time lawmakers are dismayed by the perpetual gridlock. >> i feel it's more likely we'll go over the cliff than not and if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal consequential act of irresponsible in a long time --er responsibility. >> reporter: president obama is in hawaii. he says he will cut his vacation short to try to hammer out a deal. the deadline a week away. >> if congress does not get anything done, then taxes will most likely go up for everyone. just about everyone on january 1st. unemployment benefits will also expire for many people. >>> international envoy working to end syria's civil war worries won't be able to help. one man said bashar assad discussed possible steps forward but has made little progress because both sides seem to be more interested in fighting. >>> authorities in india used violence to stop a week of rape protests. armed police beat police with stick
in the game. i think you should have a progressive tax code. if you want to deal with the deficit problem, the two things you have to have are people working and you have to have people paying taxes. you cannot cut your way out of our deficit problem. >> quick exit question. this is a yes or no. do we get a better deal if we go over the cliff? yes or no. >> i can't do yes or no. i'm sorry. >> we have little time. >> a cliff is terrible. if there is a terrible deal proposed, then i think it's better to go over the cliff. >> take it to the brink, obama. >> don't go over the cliff. no. no. >> absolute lie not. >> we have a table divided. >>> negotiations about policy ors personalities. [ male announcer ] when it comes to the financial obstacles military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or vis
or deficit. to destroy the republicans in the house. create a civil war. that is what he did. he would not compromise on tax rate. he himself said a year ago. but he insisted on the rates knowing it would cause the kind of civil war in the house. the objective now of fracturing the one element in washington this could stop the agenda in the second term succeeded. he put out the patch plan to raise rates on those earning $250,000 and extend unemployment. if that is the bottom line he will propose it. the republicans decide he wins either way. he passed it in the house or he will blame going over the fiscal cliff on the republicans if they resist. completely in the driver's seat and he will l decide what is on the table at december 31 at 11:00 at night. >> let's look at the national debt clock. we surpassed the $16 trillion mark. $16.4 trillion. interest on the debt is huge. thereon what bayh boy said recently. >> servicing the debt hard now. this is interest rates at record lows. god forbid something should happen to cause interest rates go up a littlement we have seen nothing yet. inte
together and form a deficit cutting agreement that protects families and small businesses. >>> if you had a chance to talk to president obama, what would you ask him? students from schools around the bay area are writing him letters sharing hopes for the future. education reporter lyanne melendez tells us what is on their mind. >> the letters written to the president start out with a simple salutation. >> dear president obama my name is.... >> what follows is the example of a child's vase curiosity. do you wear a suit every day? and questions even adults would like to ask. >> how do you feel about romney losing? >> the fivd graders in san francisco are participating in a program called mail to the chief organized by handwriting without tears. the idea is to encourage students to get interested in government. >> anything that you want to write is fine, okay? >> this year the students have been particularly interested in what has been happening in their communities and around the world and they are not holding back. >> are you going to deal with the problems in egypt? what are i going to do
boehner said both parties can come together for an deficit cutting agreement. >>> st. anthony's foundation in san francisco is holding a drive. curbside drive will start at 9:00 at st. anthony's which is locked at golden gate avenue and jones street. then at 10:00 meals were be served to 3,000 people. at 11:00, donation delivery of scarves takes place. >> glide memorial church hosts a toy giveaway for families in need starting at 9:30 this morning. volunteers have been collecting unwrapped toys preparing for this day. lucille will be on hand, giants mascot. it's located at ellis and taylor streets in san francisco's tenderloin. >> the salvation army of silicon valley is hanged out toys, gifts and food to 1700 pre-registered families. they will hand them out at santa clara fairgrounds starting at 8:00 this morning. salvation army has been doing this for 125 years thanks to generous donations from the public. an estimated 5,000 needy children from all walks of life will benefit from this year's event. >>> next, tis the season to write letters to santa and the president and what bay area kids
and lays the groundwork for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. that's an achievable goal. that can get done in ten days. >> you know, president obama today could have come out, and he could have just punched boehner right in the nose. he could have come out and kicked the guy today when he was politically down. but the president came out today with a demeanor of, hey, let's do a deal. it was a rough night at the office, but let's not give up on this. president obama has gone back to the basics. the days of the grand bargain he knows are over. but the president wants an extension on tax cuts for income below $250,000, as well as extended unemployment benefits. what's wrong with that? spending cuts can be dealt with later on in the future. and, of course, as luck would have it, there is already a bill exactly like this sitting in the united states senate. harry reid passed it back in july, and republicans refused to vote on it. boehner, why don't you vote on that? the time for complaining about this deal, totally over. >> nobody can get 100% of what they want, and this is n
deficit situation. so i don't think this is political at all. the politics ended on election day. the president made his case, he made it very clearly. there is no doubt as to what was at stake in that election and the president was elected overwhelm lig. so the politics are over. now we're trying to govern the country and i think that's, at least in the house. >> congressman, i got to speak with you twice over the last several days. i appreciate your time. >> you, too. >> this video just in from the scene of a fire in the rochester, new york area. it's reported two firefighters were shot after responding to a large fire at 6:00 this morning. they encountered gun fire as they were getting out to the fire and immediately retreated. one firefighter was shot in the buttocks and is reported to be in satisfactory condition. it's believed that three houses and one vehicle are involved in that fire. residents in the area have been asked to stay in their homes away from windows and doors. we'll keep you up to date on that story. >> over the river and through the woods, no matter how you'
. deficit only six points. let's go later in the first half. hopkins inside to porter. second half, off the au miss, troutwig off the break. he gets the return pass. georgetown defeats au 65-48. next up, marquette, january 5 in their big east opener. >>> governor's classic, mason facing richmond. first half. mason misses but this one gives mason the first lead. we are tied to go. five seconds to g mason can win it. wright lets it go, he sinks the 3 at the buzzer. that is the game winner. wright had a game high 22 point. mason defeats richmond 67-64. >>> an eagles-redskins rematch tomorrow in philly. remember when the redskins won 57-6. griffin iii completed this long pass to santana moss. the eagles have been 1-5 since then, but they had a da what tick win last week. >> i don't think that everybody is taking a big picture right now. we can do that after the season when we are happy. right now, everyone is focused on one game at time. that's the attitude that you have. no one his the locker room excited. we go on a win streak and control our own destiny. everybody is focus on what we ha
worried about the state of our country. we run for years over a trillion dollar deficits and it is time for us to do a big fiscal deal in washington that really drives down the trajectory of our debt. we have to do it. and then come in the senate, we have to get back to regular budgeting. i serve on the senate budget committee. since i have been! =-- since i have been te here, even before that, three years since we have any budget in the senate. -- since i have been there, even before that, three years since we have done a budget in the senate. >> new hampshire is a great model. >> absolutely. this to me is the number one overriding priority. and i want to be part of making sure that we finally start getting on the right fiscal track. it is not easy. but there is no easy answer to all of this. and programs like social security and medicare, we have to start talking about how we reform them. because, for example, medicare goes bankrupt in 2024. that is not that far off for people in this room who rely on it. or social security in 2033. we have to have those hard discussions right now to
has to be matched with real action, spending cuts and other ways to reduce the deficit, that is exactly the fight we are fashion. he doesn't want to have that. republicans are dying to get into that. >> reporter: do you think the president for political reasons wants to go over the cliff? barrasso said so. look, there are a bunch of others who think so. >> there are certainly some on the left who also, just like conservatives, there are some on the left that do. i don't think the president does. part of the reason, just like i don't believe john boehner actually does the house speaker. there is this group in the middle, first of all they are not sure where the political blame would lie. it could end up on them and they want want to have that happen. second of all these are deal mayors. they came to washington to get deals done. and they see the result, the goal as a deal to get past this rather than looking at the numbers. the folks on each side eve are looking at the numbers and they say the deficit would be in better shape and the economy in the long run is in better
, who are providing us also with the means to float the deficit. these are the people providing a lot of our financing. well, at some point if this goes on long enough, they begin to think, hold it. >> who's writing a lot of our financing? >> mainly foreign governments as well as markets. holding on to treasuries and the rest. so the question, then, at some point do they go, hold it. if these guys aren't serious, why am i depending upon them so much? and the scariest single scenario is ultimately people start saying before i continue to float the united states, i want to get a slightly higher return to take -- in order to -- because of this risk. because of this uncertainty. that is the day the spiral begins because that's the day mr. bernanke and his colleagues have to think about raising rates in order to attract the necessary financing. we don't want to get there. and what's so scary about this twofer of the cliff and the debt ceiling over the next two months, basically till the end of february, is for the rest of the world looking at us, we essentially have -- it's not so much nex
hike on mid class, >> and lays the groundwork for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. that's an achievable goal. that can get done in ten days. >> bayne never >> holman: in his appearance earlier, boehner, flanked by majority leader eric cantor, sounded doubtful, but said he's willing to try. >> how we get there, god only knows. all i'm telling you is that eric and i, and our team here are committed to working with our colleagues on both sides of the aisle, both sides of the capitol, and the white house to address that. >> holman: still, as the capitol emptied for the holiday, the clock was ticking down to more than $500 billion in spending cuts and tax hikes kicking in. >> woodruff: and to the analysis of shields and gerson-- syndicated columnist mark shields and "washington post" columnist michael gerson. david brooks is off tonight. gentlemen, good to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> woodruff: so mark, the fiscal cliff, it's still with us. it's still out there. the president made a last minute statement late this afternoon. where does everything stand?
that would have addressed tax reform as well as deficit reduction. those talks, of course, fell apart. house speaker john boehner tried to get an alternative plan through the house. that didn't work out. now the focus shifts to the senate. senate majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell will have to try to hammer out some sort of a compromise to avoid going over the cliff, but as you pointed out in your introduction, a lot of senators over the weekend expressed concern that, in fact, we will go over the fiscal cliff. of course, if is that happens, the economy could eventually slip back into recession. one interesting point, thomas, though, last time that members of congress worked between christmas and new year's was 1996. that was during the government shutdown. this is really a rare occurrence for members of congress to have to come back and work out legislation that they went able to get done before the christmas holiday. >> the president is supposed to stay there for how long? >> well, of course, the white house not really giving us specifics about the president's trav
the special mission had to rely on a militia, with skill deficits. overall, the board found the security systems and procedures were implemented properly by american personnel. ecosystem's themselves and the libyan response fell short on the night of the attacks -- those systems themselves and the libyan response fell short on the night of the attacks. their decision to depart the special mission without ambassador stevens kim after repeated efforts of many u.s. security agents -- came after manytepeated efforts of u.s. security agents. benghazi, tripoli and washington coordinated effectively with each other on the night of the attacks. the interagency response was timely and appropriate. but there was not enough time for u.s. military forces to have made a difference. having said that, it is not reasonable nor feasible to tether u.s. forces at the ready to respond to protect every high risk post in the world. we have found that there was no immediate tactical warning of the september 11 attacks. if there was a knowledge gap in the intelligence community's en understanding of extremist m
family would pay 2,000 to $4,000 more in taxes next year. but, if you're a deficit hawk, you might be happy with this news. the congressional budget office estimates that with all of these new tax revenues, plus those mandatory spending cuts kicking in january 1st, that would all cut the deficit in half next year to about $600 billion. kelly? kelly: we would go through this for about half a year. then there's a talk among some people, that we would actually rebound at the end of six months or so. but that is a lot of pain to go through. is there any idea of what could happen to the economy or stock market as a result of congressional inactivity? >> well, yeah. the cb. off and many private economists say that the $600 billion in fiscal tighting, as you say would push the economy into recession next year and send the unemmoment rate to back above 9%. a survey of investment managers found 60% of the them see a drop in the dow industrials of 10% or more if the cliff is not avoided. kelly? kelly: boy, that is very ominous. peter, thank you. hopefully something can be done. peter barnes.
in infrastructure and dealing with the deficits were more -- in a more balanced way. it was about what our obligations are to each other. it was about big things. those are very, very big things. i will say that, for all of the critique about whether our campaign was about big things or not, the preoccupations of people who write about that -- and i used to do that for a living -- i don't try to separate myself -- many of them are my best friends -- there is an awful lot of horse race coverage of this presidential race. there is such a preoccupation with who will win and who will lose and so little real interest in what the implications are. >> we were talking about pulling. >> public polling is so voluminous now. any to kids with an abacus can do a poll of the corner grocery store and some national news are in position will cover it as if it is news. and maybe the billion tommy pulled him out today. -- the billy and tommy poll came out today. it can be done sound yet they produce results that were wholly different than what we knew to be the case. yet it would drive coverage. the gallup p
, realistically can there be a grandiose bill that will attempt to solve our spending, deficit problem, with the overall framework? or talking about a band-aid? >> personally, i don't think we'll get the big plan in the next six days. it would be great if we could. >> the whole enchilada. but at least if we can get an appetizer -- no, seriously. if we can get assurance that realistic work is being done to provide tax relief, regulatory relief. the two big laws passed previously in 2010. affordable care act, well intentioned, very costly and those are posing problems too. >> earlier this week, we spoke with grover norquist. you signed the pledge not to sign taxes. >> i did. >> he supported speaker boehner's plan "b" and said it wouldn't violate his pledge. here's what he told us earlier this week. listen. >> i think in fact, plan "b" is a good step to protecting tax cuts for everybody. >> if you look at current law, current law says as we all know, part of the fiscal cliff '01, '03 tax relief measures will expire on january 1st. at this point, everybody's taxes go up. we all know that.
. the tax would have made the rich contribute a whole lot more to cutting public deficit. >> arthel: here at home as senator leaders work behind closed doors to cut an 11th hour deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, we got a glimpse of optimism on the senate floor on friday from majority leader harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell following their white house meeting with president obama. here it is. >> everyone knows we've been to the white house. we've had a constructive meeting. we certainly hope that something will positive will come from that. >> i share the view of the majority leader. we had a good meeting at the white house. we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader and myself and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. >> arthel: so is a fiscal deal more likely now than it was before congress left for christmas break? let's have a meeting of the minds. outreach director for freedom works, author of "backlash" and fox news cont
it to getting a deal, which included tax reform and deficit reduction. the talks fell aaparpaapart. >> how we get there god only knows. >> speaker boehner tried to pass an alternative bill that allowed tax rates to rise on those making a million dollars or more. >> they weren't taking that out on me. they were dealing with the perception that somebody might accuse them of raising taxes. >> reporter: before jetting off to hawaii, president obama was prepared to accept a smaller deal as long as it prevented taxes from going up on middle class americans and extended unemployment insurance. >> i expect democrats and republicans to get back to washington and have it pass both chambers, and i will immediately sign that legislation into law before january 1st of next year. >> reporter: but americans say the uncertainty in washington is casting a cloud over their holidays. >> they are responsible for the well-being of all americans, and right now they're more woern wored about politics. >> i would tell them to get off their butts, because most of us aren't making six-figure incomes and we need every
run for years over a trillion dollar deficits and it is time for us to do a big fiscal deal in washington that really drives down the trajectory of our debt. we have to do it. and then come in the senate, we have to get back to regular budgeting. i serve on the senate budget committee. since i have been! even before that, three years since we have any budget in t senate. -- since i have been there, even before that, three years since we have done a budget in the senate. >> new hampshire is a great model. >> absolutely. this to me is the number one overriding priority. and i want to be part of making sure that we finally start getting on the right fiscal track. it is not easy. but there is no easy answer to all of this. and programs like social security and medicare, we have to start talking about how we reform them. because, for example, medicare goes bankrupt in 2024. that is not that far off for people in this room who rely on it. or social security in 2033. we have to have those discussions right now to strethen america because nobody wants to see us see what happened ieu
to reduce the deficit and then double it, do you think the american electorate was cognizant of the fact that obama doubled in it instead of cutting it in half? why don't the american people care about the debt of the united states of america? guest: i do think they care about it. the economy is the number-one issue. guess what? then it comes down to things like jobs. then you come to the debt. it is not that americans are out of touch with the idea that the government is spending more money than we are taking in. there is lots of concern about whether or not the chinese is holding our debt. so, americans are very concerned and that the question is how you go about addressing this problem -- are very concerned. the question is how you go about addressing this problem. president obama and the democrats are saying we have a combined problem both in terms of not sufficient taxation and also we have to have cuts in spending. we have to do the cuts in spending over time because you do not want to endanger a very fragile economy. to respond directly to your question, why do i think the elector
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